tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post2545976350520889665..comments2023-10-24T08:25:49.233-07:00Comments on Ojai Valley News Blog: Avary Pleads Not Guilty To ManslaughterUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-65192442399161768402008-12-23T03:58:00.000-08:002008-12-23T03:58:00.000-08:00I see your point drugs=war on drugs.(over 1+mill c...I see your point <BR/>drugs=war on drugs.<BR/>(over 1+mill casualties easy)<BR/>Terrorists=war on terror. <BR/>(unknown and untold casualties)<BR/>Low IQ=war on illiteracy. <BR/>(lower standards to mask ineffectiveness) <BR/>You said it your self <BR/>money=freedom<BR/>no money=jail <BR/>If you commit a crime and are caught.<BR/>Same laws different consequences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-72045955332949692772008-12-22T17:08:00.000-08:002008-12-22T17:08:00.000-08:00i don't know avery other than what i've read in th...i don't know avery other than what i've read in the papers, and frankly i don't care what happens to him, but there's a point that keeps coming up with regards to people of celebrity, like him, that really sticks in my craw because it comments poorly on our legal system. this statement that the wealthy get special treatment is simply untrue. there's not two sets of laws in the united states, just one. what is true is that most people can't afford the quality legal defense necessary to navigate our impressively strict judicial system, which imprisons more people than either russia or china.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-82310828273676083212008-12-21T15:04:00.000-08:002008-12-21T15:04:00.000-08:00Yes it was a terrible accident. But please Mr. Av...Yes it was a terrible accident. But please Mr. Avary take responsibility for it. You may be a kind person but you have killed someone. Serve your time and come out of prison and try to make amends to the family of Mr. Zini.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-2182492384209092008-12-20T13:58:00.000-08:002008-12-20T13:58:00.000-08:00I'm very sorry to hear many people dismissing the ...I'm very sorry to hear many people dismissing the past tragedy as a sort of trivial accident to which no one should pay any attention. The frequency of these deaths should by no means diminish the fact that these events devastate the life of several people.<BR/><BR/>In Italy, there is now a family (two parents and a sister) that are dealing with a void which will never be filled. Andrea's wife is now a very young widow whose life projects have vanished. Further, many many (let me repeat this: many) friends and colleagues keep on grieving Andrea.<BR/><BR/>To give you an extent of the love that surrounded, and still surrounds, Andrea - indeed an extraordinary, enthusiastic person - let me tell you that Andrea's family has set up a charity foundation that donates money to the Red Cross (Andrea was a Red Cross volunteer). His friends have also organized, for the upcoming 13th of January, a concert in his honor; the money raised will also be donated to the Red Cross (the idea is to buy a brand new ambulance).<BR/><BR/>This is just a glimpse of the love that surrounded Andrea and the extraordinary environment from whom he comes.<BR/><BR/>And I hope this message may stop many readers to post unsensitive comments and remind most of them of the loss that we have been left dealing with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-70340192804329608762008-12-20T12:15:00.000-08:002008-12-20T12:15:00.000-08:00Reports vary, but what distresses me are the assum...Reports vary, but what distresses me are the assumptions that Avary is an alcoholic and that he is guilty of the charges against him.<BR/>We have "presumption of innocence" in the United States as a basic tenet of jurisprudence.<BR/>Let the truth be known at trial, if it even gets to that point.<BR/>I don't give a damn if Mike Bradbury was a witness. His statement about smelling alcohol on Avary's breath does not equal a conviction, nor make his claims gospel. He's been wrong before; having been the DA does not make him infallible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-76583062511348585482008-12-19T10:03:00.000-08:002008-12-19T10:03:00.000-08:00Who gives a rat's ass if Avery went to Thacher????...Who gives a rat's ass if Avery went to Thacher????? or is it Thatcher! There is a big world out there folks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-58357408857461738082008-12-19T10:00:00.000-08:002008-12-19T10:00:00.000-08:00The emotional pain the Avary's have suffered is fo...The emotional pain the Avary's have suffered is forever. I know them - they are good people and good parents - Roger will have his day in court; why can't the people of this valley stop bludgeoning him, esp through what has to be a difficult and sad holiday period. My heart also goes out to the Zini family also. I lost a 33 yr old family member this year and the shock and sadness is immeasurable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-93917270094858182008-12-18T08:26:00.000-08:002008-12-18T08:26:00.000-08:00for the last time, it's THACHER!for the last time, it's THACHER!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-479204161912805332008-12-17T23:27:00.000-08:002008-12-17T23:27:00.000-08:002 sets of laws optional laws for the rich, mandato...2 sets of laws <BR/>optional laws for the rich, <BR/>mandatory minimum sentences for the rest of us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-73458016631968262542008-12-17T19:07:00.000-08:002008-12-17T19:07:00.000-08:00Did Avary go to Thatcher?Did Avary go to Thatcher?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-55911813101582746912008-12-17T16:24:00.000-08:002008-12-17T16:24:00.000-08:00I know the Avary's, and I can tell you that they a...I know the Avary's, and I can tell you that they are grief stricken from this awful accident. They are good and kind people and to write things like "he should get the gas chamber" is simply unthinking and cruel, especially during the holiday season, and does not represent the opinion of conscionable people in Ventura County. If you knew him, and how caring he is, you wouldn't write such things. The entire Ojai Valley has suffered over this tragedy. Do you really think it helps to be vengeful or callous? I'd like to think that the publicity this accident received would stop future accidents in our area, but since January there have been numerous other accidents on that very stretch of road, and at that same blind bend in the 150. Just take a look at the numerous overlapping skid marks between the bridge and Ojai Lumber. Sadly, Avary wasn't the first, and he wasn't the last. Think of this when you're driving home from your holiday parties, after having a few drinks, thinking that you're okay to make it home. So many people who aren't even alcoholics do it, and it has to stop, or else there will be more tragedy and suffering. Please remember that this can happen to anyone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-11615679967575430012008-12-15T18:59:00.000-08:002008-12-15T18:59:00.000-08:00This is extremely sad, especially to hear from a f...This is extremely sad, especially to hear from a friend of Andreas and to know now a bit of who he was. I am so sorry for his family and friends. Ojai grieves with them and hopes that justice is correctily served.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-69750261178194494932008-12-15T15:11:00.000-08:002008-12-15T15:11:00.000-08:00oh, jeeze, come on. he should be held responsible...oh, jeeze, come on. he should be held responsible in some way, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-8426054235898058392008-12-15T14:57:00.000-08:002008-12-15T14:57:00.000-08:00He should get the gas chamberHe should get the gas chamberAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-61712687591332767932008-12-15T11:59:00.000-08:002008-12-15T11:59:00.000-08:00why does the valley need it's own prevention progr...why does the valley need it's own prevention program when the county has so many resources available for alcoholics? plus there are AA meetings all over the valley. and several downtown establishments collaborate on the operation of a shuttle that dutch drives on the weekends. there's no excuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-31773140158207932962008-12-14T19:20:00.000-08:002008-12-14T19:20:00.000-08:00The broader over riding issue is alcohol use and a...The broader over riding issue is alcohol use and abuse, alcoholism,<BR/>and the fact that it knows no barriers or socio-economic bounderies. It was a sad and avoidable incident- if only the valley had prevention programs and successful diversion options for the continued and series effects of drinking.Maybe this is a good index point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4039563145970308239.post-39305040039415836092008-12-14T07:08:00.000-08:002008-12-14T07:08:00.000-08:00I'm a close friend of Andrea Zini, the man that al...I'm a close friend of Andrea Zini, the man that almost one year ago was killed in Roger Avary's car crash. Andrea was so happy the 22of December during his wedding. I saw him for the last time that night at 2:00 AM. He was going to leave the day after for his honey moon in the USA. After that, I heard that he met Roger Avary, a<BR/>friend of friends. Unfortunately.<BR/>We all miss him so much. Please help us by spreading this information.<BR/>We fear we may never see justice for our incredible and beloved friend Andrea, whom we miss every day.<BR/>We cannot forget. Andrea's absence is constantly reminded to us,<BR/>every day. He left a young wife and beloved mother, father and sister. He was a successful engineer too. I'm seeking justice for him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com