Ventura County Sheriff’s traffic investigators evaluate the scene Tuesday morning after an Ojai woman reportedly stepped onto Ojai Avenue near Bald Street and into the path of a police car driven by Deputy Victor Medina. According to Sgt. Rick Harwood, Diana Nordli, 54, was attempting to walk southbound across east Ojai Avenue when the collision occurred. Nordli was not in a crosswalk and she was not crossing at an intersection. Deputy Medina immediately stopped and began providing first aid to her. Nordli was taken to the Ojai Valley Community Hospital’s emergency room with multiple, but non-life-threatening injuries, including two broken legs, a broken arm and shoulder. She was later transferred to the Ventura County Medical Center.Photo by Rob Clement
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This morning a police officer apparently ran down a pedestrian right on Ojai Avenue, in broad daylight.
I can't wait to see what all the armchair geniuses on this thread have to say about it.
Perhaps the officer was so busy looking for expired registration tags that he failed to look out in the road right in front of him.
Assuming that is the case, clearly, overenforcement in Ojai is endangering our lives. We better get those cops off the street before they hurt someone else.
Or perhaps, they have been brewing the coffee a little too strong at the donut shop again? Those servers at the donut shop should have seen that Officer Joe was jittery already. They are at least morally culpable if not legally so. Right?
But, I digress from the obvious point: The officer ran a pedestrian down in broad daylight. Ipso facto, he was drunk. Case closed. Because one cannot have an accident unless one is drunk.
Or, did I get that wrong: Is it only when there is an intimation that the driver may have consumed some alcohol that there can be no other possible, remote cause of any accident except the demon alcohol?
(For example, deer and coyotes only cross the road in front of drunk drivers, right?)
In that case, that could be good for Officer Joe. Because, of course, if he was NOT drinking, then the accident was "just" a tragic occurrence, no culpability and no fault on his part. Could happen to any of us.
But wait: Is Officer Joe on any medications?
Perhaps he has needed a new prescription on his contacts, but didn't want to raise the issue and get pushed to a desk job?
Maybe what with budget woes and all, the Department failed to keep his windshield wipers or defroster up to par and he couldn't see?
No matter. Any of those, or a host of others, are just fine. As long as there is no alcohol, its "just" a tragic accident, something we all feel sorry for. Officer Joe is a good guy, he gets to keep his job, he doesn't go to jail, his family still gets to see him at the dinner table, and the wheels of justice will keep on grinding elsewhere. Our prayers are with the victim and her family. We'll keep building more high end houses and packing more cars onto Ojai Ave. for the morning commute. These pedestrians should just learn to watch out. Or better yet: Stop walking. Don't these people know this is southern California? Drive, don't walk. Or you get what's coming to you.
If they can't stop walking, maybe we'll just have to build a big wall on each side of Ojai Ave. to keep the pedestrians off the street. Then we could put pedestrian bridges overhead. Might cost a bit in the old taxes department, but sounds like even James Hatch is on board.
Was she in a crosswalk? Did she dart out in front of the patrol car?
Was the officer on meds?
Keep speculating Anonymous. The bridge in your comment is far less distant than the bridge in your mind that connects your arguments.
Before you pass judgement and/or assume you know what happened you should get the facts....I can only assume you don't have the time to do this since you spend your time speculating.
I feel Ojai does not have
enough patrol units. I, as
a pedestrian (I don't own a
car), have been practically
mowed down in clearly marked crosswalks on numerous occaisions by drivers who are EXCEEDING the speed limit (Ojai Ave and Park Road is the worst) and talking on their cell phones. I can only assume you are one of those who blatantly IGNORE the posted speed limits and talk on your cell instead of paying attention to the road.
The lady who was hit, I could assume, was the homeless lady who asked me
for spare change yesterday (I refused). Maybe she was depressed and darted in front of the car. Maybe the sun was in the deputy's eyes. Maybe he took his eyes off the road....Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe you should pipe down until you have all the facts!
To the first poster...It happened at 6:30. It was still dark.
There was no marked crosswalk where it happened
This is horrible if it was the homeless woman. I gave her money after she asked me. Good grief Christine you are a tight person I hope someday you are not in her position, and then to brag how you did not give her money. All I can so I am glad I don't know you. As I would not want to be associated with such an unfeeling greedy human. And we wonder what is wrong with the world today.
You can make all the assumptions you like regarding my character, but I made a choice a long time ago. I do not give money to panhandlers, homeless, or any other people who approach me asking
for money. It has nothing to do with being tight or greedy or unfeeling, but is MY PERSONAL DECISION to whom and when I donate. To each his own.
Anonymous Anonymous had one good point (maybe by accident) - was the officer tested for drugs and alcohol - you or I would have been.
So you decided along time ago to be a beasch. I didn't view her as a panhandler. If you want to see panhandlers go to target on the weekend. She seemed lost. Perhaps she had mental problems. She might have needed medicine. You probably don't realise that if someone misses there meds they get confused and do not realise what is real and cannot remember that they do need meds. They dont and cant function normal without the medicine. But you just decided that you would not be bothered and then brag about it here. Well that tells me alot about you. views. Justify all you want.......
I've been reading quite a bit of Ojai News coverage lately (mostly here on blogger), and the accompanying comments left by these people who I assume are Ojai residents. By the time one gets to the bottom of a comment thread, it is extremely difficult to resist finding the nearest heavy object and beating oneself repeatedly over the head with it. Maybe Ojai's populous isn't ready for open commenting. Nonetheless, I too, digress.
There are many points of contention regarding the fine police here in Ojai. Often, people cry out that there are too few police on patrol, while many others insist that there are just too many. For those residents who have been fortunate enough to have been a part of the "Come to Ojai: See A Cop" bumper sticker campaign, I applaud you. As a long time resident of Ojai, it seems to me as though the enforcement levels are steadily increasing within Ventura county as a whole (except Oxnard, the police are too afraid of Oxnard). Along with the sheer amount of police hiding behind trees throughout the county (don't speed, they'll get you!) it seems as though they have been increasingly brash and hasty in their execution of average residents. Let me give you a quick example of one of my recent run-ins with Ojai's finest. I'm sharing this with you not because I have a latent need to share my feelings and experiences with thousands of anonymous readers, but because I think it's a poignant example of our law enforcement's absurd behavior. I was riding my bicycle one night somewhere along Matilija St. It was about 11:00 PM. I saw a car out of the corner of my eye speeding along Ojai Ave. going extremely fast. A few moments later, the car came speeding along in the opposite direction, turned, and was right behind me, all 4 bright white lights shinning. I was instructed to pull over. Before I knew it, there was another patrol car, and an a Sheriff's SUV behind the original patrol car. After dismounting my bicycle, I was told that I had ran a stop sign, and was exceeding the speed limit. At this point, I couldn't help but laugh. The Officer did not appreciate this. I told him that I was not aware that there was a speed limit for a bicycle. He told me there was. I asked him what it was. He assured me it existed. After about twenty minutes of checking my driver's license, he returned to me with a ticket for running the stop sign. I asked him if he was kidding. In a huff, he adjusted his gut and utility belt (no doubt, I would notice his nice big Glock), informed me that I would need to be in court within the month or pay serious fines, climbed into his patrol car, and was off.
What does this have to do with this article, of a woman being hit on Ojai Ave.? How many of us have been passed on Ojai Ave., a two lane road where the speed limit does not exceed 35 MPH on either end of the downtown area, by a police officer doing upwards of 60 MPH? How many of us have witnessed a patrol car turning on it's lights and siren just to get ahead of a few cars, or through a light? How many of us have been severely inconvenienced? How many of us have been helped? The Ojai police, whether they are here in Ojai to train or not, must constantly show us that they are the Alpha (fe)males. They WILL destroy you. With a speeding ticket. Just as long as you notice that they a) ARE wearing a gun, so watch out, and b) are behind a badge (the law does not favor you, the civilian).
As a few of you have pointed out, was this officer intoxicated? Did anyone check!? Was he in possession of narcotics? If not, why not? Do we not all deserve the same? Was he speeding? Will there be a reconstruction of this accident? If becoming a police officer means immunity, then I for one, will be more than willing to put in my time hiding behind a large bush with a radar gun.
Come on people officer medina has been in this valley for many years,he is a well respected officer .Some of these comments are so far out there as is the persons who wrote them sounds like to me . And if in fact he was looking for expired tags isnt that his job . And isnt that what sidewalks are for so use them .
I've seen the police driving wrecklessly down the 150 at all hours of the day. The other day one police cruiser driving at about 85mph nearly nailed a van and had to swerve into the opposing lane. At least the Boardman accident happened at a blind intersection at night and after a few drinks -- what excuse to the Ventura County police officers have?!
Come on people officer medina has been in this valley for many years,he is a well respected officer.
What kind of an excuse is that? If anything, he should know better. Put the police on bicycles!
Sidwalks don't get you across the street. Furthermore, I don't believe there are any past Fox St.
Hmm...6:30 a.m., a woman walking alone...no crosswalk between Fox and Fulton at Bald St.(in front of SeaFresh), heading south...possibly trying to get to the Bus Stop for the 7a.m.? Or...coming from the laundrymat...opens at 6a.m. and THE place for the homeless to do their laundry... (I'm in my detective mind, here!) Speed limit here is 25mph...enough time to stop on icy/dewy street??? Work it out...even without a crosswalk, enough time/distance NOT to cause TWO broken legs, etc. The pedestrian ALWAYS has the ROW in California, even if not in a crosswalk! He WAS speeding--end of story.
I, too, have seen the police SPEEDING on ALL streets in Ojai and the Valley...When I see them stopped, I have even spoken to/pleaded with them about speeding problem on my street (Aliso). Hurray for ticketing the speeders! Not enough, IMHO! ALL congested areas on 150/33 should be 25mph! Let's enforce "Enjoy the Ojai Valley Slowly" and perhaps pad our Police budget as well!
Come on People of Ojai.........
This could have been you, me our teenage drivers or our eldery parents. We can not predict when a pedestrian will inadvertinly walk out in front of us. Officer Medina has been there for all of us including our kid's at Nordoff. He was Police Officer of the Year and if you get to know him you are priviliged. He is a very dedicated, hard working and compassionate Officer. The Ojai Valley is a better place because of him and the rest of our VCSD.
They are the ones that look for your runaway kids, lame spouses and pick up our celebrity spouses off the highway. They keep law in our Valley but do it with class.
Officer Medina keep your head high and just remember you were at that the worng place at the wrong time for some one that choose to cross your path illegally. They do it all day long but don't have such an inpact as she did. Thank God she lived and you can keep up your excellant duty in our Valley. We need more of Officer Medina.
Thank you for your service, your are appreciated!! Friends of Ojai
Yes a pedestrian does have the right of way when at a marked crosswalk. However, they also bear the responsibility of making sure oncoming vehicles have plenty of time to stop. A pedestrian can choose to step out simply because they believe they have the right of way in a crosswalk or any intersection,,,,and they may be right,,, but they can also be dead if they choose to do so without making sure the vehicle has ample time to stop
To the cyclist who got a ticket for running a stop sign: you EARNED it!!! I have nearly been run down by cyclists coming down the upper portion of Thacher Road or coming around a corner and ignoring the stop sign. I have also been cut off by cyclists who arrive at a 4-way stop AFTER I do (in my car), but who fail to stop. I read lots of letters to the editor from cyclists demanding their rights on the road. Those rights come with responsibilities. I applaud your decision to get around by bicycle, but please follow the rules of the road!
Becky Beckett
Yes, to the cyclist who got the ticket,,,I have to wonder how long you've been riding your bicycle if you still don't know that bicycles on the roadways are required to follow the same traffic rules as motor vehicles. If you don't know that by now, maybe you should be walking.
Good people can take their eyes of the road, too. If he did cause the accident, we need to remember why they are called accidents in the first place.
Reading all of these negative comments just reminds me of the reason I moved away from Ojai.
I grew up in this great little small town full of good and honest people. Now Ojai consists of too many self-involved, tree huggin', art-obsessed cop haters. People that seem to be too unhappy or bored with their own lives that they feel the need to try and cause more chaos in someone else's life. As if officer Medina isn't going through enough? Have some CLASS and RESPECT people! You would all be lucky if you were even half the person Officer Medina is. If it was anyone else who had hit this lady, Ojai wouldn't blink an eye and continue on with the day; but the fact that is was an Ojai Valley Police Officer... god forbid!!!!! Get over it, they're human like us and unfortunately have accidents too. Just remember next time you call on the law because of a burglary or maybe a peeping tom, remember who your calling and who always has your back because I've never known the Ojai Officers to not have mine.
For once stop complaining that Ojai has too many officers and be thankful for the fact that they keep that town as safe as they do. If you don't like it, move. No one is forcing you to stay. I hear LA is a great place to live, ha. One might like the fact that they're lacking officers.
Officer Medina: You are a blessing to this town. Thank you for all your honest and dedicated hard work. It is very much appreciated!!
Davis your comment on officer medina is right on . He has always
be there for my kids and I. Hold your head up officer medina and dont let these negitive comments get to you. Those who know you are behind you all the way.
Yes, officer Medina, "hold your head up" and keep your eyes on the road.
I find it funny that many of you complain that you have been pulled over in Ojai for a speeding ticket or not stopping for a stop sign. It's called the LAW. Laws are enforced for a reason. If we had none, could you imagine how chaotic things would be? If you get caught breaking the law, your going to have to pay the consequences whether it happens in Ojai or by an officer of another city. The people of Ojai seem to be very quick to judge. Yes, I am sure their may be a few officers in Ojai that abuse their priveledge of the badge but Officer Medina is certainly not one of them. Unfortunately he took his eyes off the road at the wrong time but he has to deal with that so lay off his case and let him. Tomorrow the same thing could happen to you and how would you feel if everyone acted this way towards you? Be a good person and show some support.
"Get over it, they're human like us and unfortunately have accidents too." - Does this count for celebrities? Cops are pseudo-celebrities, aren't they? Many of you have managed to thoroughly abuse our local celebrity residents via comments here (an excellent outlet for your misguided wickedness).
And thank you for admonishing me on my bicycle ticket. Riding my beach cruiser along Matilija at 11:00 PM. REALLY deserved it. Clearly Matilija St. is like a 45 degree grade, JUST LIKE THATCHER.
"Reading all of these negative comments just reminds me of the reason I moved away from Ojai."
Amen. It is easy to debase someone when you're not sitting with them face-to-face. I still am vexed by our local law enforcement though. I'm sure Medina is a great guy and has saved children and arrested people when they deserve to be arrested. Or ticketed. Or both.
To the cyclist: the traffic laws apply regardless of time of day or steepness of the road. Stop signs are NOT a suggestion, even if you are the only one on the road. You may be wrong in your assumption that nobody else is there. Traffic laws can be inconvenient, but they are for everyone's safety, including your own. Your sarcasm does not change the fact that you chose to ignore the law, got caught, and are belittling the officer who DID HIS JOB, rather than yourself, for behaving as though the law does not apply to you.
Becky Beckett
I encourage you to find the stop sign between Rainbow Bridge and Montgomery. Nonetheless, are you such a disciplinarian with your students? I'm surprised... to attack someone you do not know with such fervor.
BBeckett I couldn't agree more. It's apparent the cyclists only defense is sarcasm.
11pm on your beach cruiser - I can't help but wonder where you would be going at that time of the night on your bicycle. Late night workout or quick stop at the local bar or liquor store? Thank god for the Ojai Police, hopefully they give BUI's too.
Here's the rest of the story...
Diana came to live with me in Ojai 3 years ago. I had been her friend and roommate for many years before, up in beautiful, quaint, Half Moon Bay. . She was once a very bright, beautiful and financially successful woman.
In the last few years, Diana lost her property in Simi Valley, the love & support of her family, she self esteem and even her teeth. She was homeless, beaten up, and living in a tent on the beach in Ventura. Diana had been plagued by alcohol and mental health issues her whole life. She was successful for a long, long time at dealing with her problems.
She was not allowed to drink in my home. I helped arrange for her get her teeth fixed, a part time job and she was even successfully dating on Match.com. But at the end she started secretly drinking. Last January, while I was at work, she accidentally burned my house down and my dog died. It’s been a difficult year.
Since then she has lived alone with her dog of 8 years. She went downhill fast. She now had to be accountable to no one but herself. She could drink all she wanted. A month later I couldn't even recognize the woman I'd known and loved as family for many years. I helped put her daughter through high school. I helped her bury a husband. We were family not just friends.
Just days before the accident she admitted she that was without food and meds. But she was never homeless or without a fixed income. She was just between checks. She’d never really lived alone before. She could now do as she wanted.
I've spoken to 2 people today that know her and said that they almost hit her while driving on Ojai Ave. on at least three occasions in the last month - also at very early hours. They said she was hanging on a pole on Ojai Ave. and would just swung and dart past the front of their vehicles. She was an accident trying to happen. .
I am doing my best and with limited means to make sure she and her dog are cared for and that she is getting proper medical and mental health care. As best I can anyway - with our current mental health system. If she isn’t a person that is a danger to herself and others, then I don't know who is. I hope and pray she gets the help she needs. I am still unable to talk to her or forgive her but that doesn't stop me from loving her. Whatever happens to her, I hope she never lives another day as she did this last year.
And yes - people like her should not be enabled. I know. I have experience.
Be glad that it wasn't any of you that hit her. Just think about how difficult that would be if had been you or me that hit her. Our lives would never be the same. At least the deputy is assumed to have some training for such situations, has knowledge of first aid and surely knows all the right numbers to call.
Look at the positives. He had guaranteed auto insurance and his job provides benefits that should allow him access to counseling to help him deal with this. Not all of us driving on Ojai Ave. have such things. She could have just as easily been hit her by an uninsured, unlicensed motorist at that hour, that flees the scene, instead of by someone that could provide emergency medical care. Be real. I would prefer to have a heart attack in front of a paramedic.
There are lessons to be learned from this. I just don't know what they are yet.
And by the way… What budget cuts? Wrong year. Wrong county. Read the papers. We've been in a surplus for several years now.
That’s for letting me share.
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Ojai Valley Lass, Thank you for sharing that with us. I am so sorry for the struggles you have had to endure the past few years, I hope brighter days are in your future. I also hope Diana gets the medical help that she needs to better her life. Maybe it was a blessing in disguise that Officer Medina hit this woman instead of medically inexperienced individual; officers are usually trained to assist in these situations. It could have been anyone in this situation, especially if Diana has been known to act irresponsibly in front of moving vehicles before. My prayers go out to her to find the help she needs as well as Officer Medina to get through this traumatic experience.
Thank you, Ojai Lass, for setting the record straight. And I apologize to Officer Medina for a reckless accusation. I am glad, after learning of Diana's previous actions on Ojai Ave., that he was there to expedite the emergency situation, and I thank the Divine that it wasn't me driving east on Ojai Ave. at 6:30 in the morning. My sincere condolences go out to Diana's friends/family as well as Officer Medina's. It's a rough, and many times thankless job.
Ojai, and Ventura COunty, has long been known as a refuge for transients and homeless -- when I first found Ojai, I slept in my truck in a friend's driveway until I found an affordable rental -- with my dog and cat. The people of the Valley are incredibly altuistic, and there a many safe havens as well as lots of restaurant dumpsters filled with food. Most all "tourist" towns are! But the weather as well as the scavenging (orchards, dumpsters) Make Ojai particularly inviting.
"Homeless" people may be scary because of their appearance (and sometimes actions), but we as compassionate people, have no right to judge -- there is always a story behind the face!
Thank you, again, Diana, and Divine Blessing to you.
Ojai Valley Lass,
such is the reality of our times. a very sad story indeed. you are a true friend...joe grant
Yes, Ojai Valley Lass, you are a very good friend indeed.
I don’t live in Ojai, but I know Ojai Valley Lass. In 2004, I had temporary lodgings in her home. That is how I met Ojai Valley Lass, and her Hound, both with whom I fell in love. As well as with the house, which I named the Curing House. The Curing House was approximately thirty minutes from my mother’s house, who was dying. That is why I was there and required lodgings. Less than three months after I’d arrived in Calfornia, and unpacked in my quarters in the Curing House, my mother died. Ojai Valley Lass accompanied me to the funeral services and then to the reception that followed. Had she not done so, I would have been the only one of my parents’ five offspring who was unaccompanied. Shortly following that event, I left the country as I live overseas.
Several weeks later, the entire California scenario that I had just lived, came out of those skies above, descending upon me in utter clarity. It was on a warm, sunny afternoon when I was sitting on a balcony staring out at the sea. To my right, there was a hill sloping down to the water, with two white horses lounging away the afternoon. In solitude and silence I stared at it all. As California unfolded itself before me, there was Ojai Valley Lass at the forefront and at the base. It was indeed a few minutes of revelation as I saw Ojai Valley Lass as she is at her essential structure, hand stretched out, I can help you. Why it took me so long to accurately perceive this is not difficult to explain.When your mother is dying, your actual surroundings can easily remain obscured. But, at that moment on the balcony, all was unveiled. Reflecting on the circumstances entirely out of my control in California at that time, the fact that OVL was absolutely the very best person on this entire planet that I possibly could have met was laid bare before my eyes, shimmered softly on the water. It was sudden, but soft and slow. I turned around, sat down at the table, wrote a letter to Ojai Valley Lass that flowed out of me as if I were in automatic-pilot mode. That letter no longer exists.
As is fairly well-known now, the Curing House no longer exists. It burned down to a few shovels’ worth of ashes, the result of an accident that occurred in Ojai Valley Lass’s absence, Diana’s presence. Well-prior to that incident, on a return trip to California, I had met Diana. It was then when I observed Ojai Valley Lass’s outstretched hand, let-me-help-you approach extended to another person. For me that trip was pure pleasure; no law suits, no one dying, no work, pleasure…the ideal context for lucid observation.While not lodged at the Curing House, that is where I spent the majority of my time. I was a part of that house by then, a part of OVL’s life, her Hound had become a third mine and remained with me exclusively for the entirety of my visit. OVL was often absent. Diana seemed to always be there. The Hound and I watched her. I saw her quite a lot, alone and with others, talked to her, walked with her. I began to notice what occurred to me as questionable behaviour on Diana’s part. I began to wonder how far OVL would go in her attempts to assist one. It took some time, but eventually I did share these thoughts with OVL. She was steadfast, tolerant, counting on improvement.
In addition to destroying her dwelling, the fire killed Ojai Valley Lass’s – and my – Hound. I was not present when the fire devoured all, but the ‘coincidence’ – or whatever you choose to call it –was that the day after, I phoned Ojai Valley Lass and got the news. Previously, I hadn’t spoken with Ojai Valley Lass for quite some time. As it’s nine hours later in California, phone calls on over there are not always so convenient. Of course it was a shock for me to hear the story, but it did not shock me that this occurred in Diana’s presence. Thinking about Diana, it was – and remains – impossible to forget certain examples of doubtful conduct. I am not in any qualified position that would justify diagnosing Diana – or anyone – and therefore cannot reasonably do so. But, I think I can say that she should be diagnosed by one experienced in such – or similar – cases.
On January 22, I read the article, ‘Woman Struck By Police Car’ and the messages posted on Ojai Valley News Blog. Here follows my comment, in an email to OVL :
Of course, it's easy to make snide comments about cops and I could well have done the same. But, when one knows Diana, oh my! doesn't it alter the circumstances!
To my continuing amazement, OVL is still helping Diana. But, perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised. That’s just the way she is.
Ojai Valley Lass....
Thank you for sharing the rest of the story! I am always amazed at the quickness to attack our Police - and it usually comes from the folks who complain that they themselves are the victims of being judged and "marginalized".
If you need help with Diana's dog, just call the Shoppe. I'll be happy to provide food.
B Dawson
Ojai Valley Lass...
Forgot the phone number for Noah's Apothecary: 640-6900
B
Thank you Noah's for your kind and generous offer.
Kindred Spirit donated a free grooming and dog collar (the dog was in bad shape)at Ulti Mutt Pet and the Humane Society donated dog food and a couple of doggie sweaters. The community still rallies with a kind heart!
After several weeks Diana's dog is doing better and is now in the care of Animal Regs. They will try to help Diana decide how she can best care for her dog when she's ready. They have a special program for people in times of crisis.
I am told Diana will be in a nursing home for a couple of months waiting for her fractures to heal.
I hope she gets the care she needs. You cannot force medical care on anyone in this country anymore. It's a double-edged sword.
There is not a happy ending to this story. All we can do is wish the best for our loved ones and accept what we cannot change.
Thank you for your kind words, thoughts and generosity. This valley is indeed a very special place.
Anonymous, your an Idiot. I feel for that woman, but at the same time she broke the law. Whats so hard about crossing at a cross walk? People are lazy and tend to take short cuts bending the laws. There's a reason you cross at the cross walk, and look both ways before crossing. So you don't get hit. Obvious and simple. So before you go out and gives the people who protect and serve you a bad rep, think about that. Ya fuck.
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