Thursday, July 26, 2007

Arrest Request Enlivens City Council Meeting

Cooperative independence’ seen as best
approach to join in fight against truck traffic

By Nao Braverman

Ventura County resident Carol Dean Williams strutted to the City Hall podium at Tuesday night’s City Council meeting and told the City Clerk Carlon Strobel that he was going to arrest her, to the dismay of council members.
“Any person who reports to a police officer that a crime has been committed can make a citizen’s arrest and she has committed a crime,” he said. “I have a recording of it right here.”
But by the time Williams had exhausted his three minutes of public comment, he had not made clear the crime of which he was accusing her.
Ojai Police Capt. Bruce Norris came to the podium and clarified that no such arrest would be made.
Up until recently, the penal code mandated that law enforcement take any citizen’s arrest. Though the validity of the arrest would be determined in court, the initial arrest was required. But a supplement added in 2002 gives officers the discretion not to accept the citizen’s arrest, said Norris. In this case he did not find an appropriate cause for arrest.
Strobel explained later that Williams had visited the City Hall earlier regarding his concern about the flood control berm west of the San Antonio Creek that is currently being raised to safe guard Casitas Springs from flooding. He was concerned that raising the berm would endanger a nearby bridge, she said.
When he asked Strobel if the city would intervene, she told him to speak with the city manager to see if he would consider placing the item on the agenda, according to Strobel. Then he got very upset and pulled out his tape recorder, she said
“I think that’s when he got sidetracked.” she explained.
After an extended, slightly confrontational conversation at City Hall that day, Williams had been escorted out of the administrative office by Norris, said Strobel. That incident, she speculated, was the cause of his attempted citizen’s arrest at the meeting Tuesday night.
In other City Council news, council members directed city staff to continue to work on the issue of Ojai’s gravel truck traffic independently but in cooperation with the citizen’s group, the Committee to Stop the Trucks.
Council members had agreed that the city should get involved in the battled against increasing truck traffic in mid-June. On Tuesday they decided that “cooperative independence” was the best approach, to start.
Other ways to address the gravel truck issue would be to offer a cash contribution to the citizen’s group. Such a donation would not be considered a gift of public funds as long as the city could show that the gift would have a definite effect on the community. City manager Jere Kersnar explained that such an effect could be demonstrated.
Kersnar also offered the option of creating a consortium but warned that it might be difficult to administer and might require a long-term commitment from the city.
Also during the meeting S.A.F.E. Coalition representative Ruth Cooper announced that the percentage of local 11th-graders being very drunk went down 16 percent since 2002 and the percentage of 11th-graders being under the influence of drugs or alcohol at school went down by 10 percent, according to a California Healthy Kids Survey. Ninth-graders under the influence of drugs or alcohol at school went down by 6 percent. A 2007 survey of seventh-11th graders showed an overall increase in substance abuse among seventh graders however.
The S.A.F.E Coalition plans to focus on implementing and enforcing the new Social Host Ordinance which penalizes anyone hosting a party with underage drinkers and educate parents in substance abuse prevention particularly among young teens, said Cooper.


Anonymous said...

June 28, 2007

TO: Chief Law Enforcement Officer Ojai, California
FROM: Carroll Dean Williams, Citizen
SUBJECT: Carroll Dean Williams' Citizen's Arrest of Ojai City Clerk Carlon Strobel for Violation of the Penal Code section 148.5. (a):

The Penal Code sections:
148.5. (a) Every person who reports to any peace officer listed in Section 830.1 or 830.2, or subdivision (a) of Section 830.33, the Attorney General, or a deputy attorney general, or a district attorney, or a deputy district attorney that a felony or misdemeanor has been committed, knowing the report to be false, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
834. An arrest is taking a person into custody, in a case and in the manner authorized by law. An arrest may be made by a peace officer or by a private person.
837. A private person may arrest another: 1. For a public offense committed or attempted in his presence. 2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. 3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.
840. An arrest for the commission of a felony may be made on any day and at any time of the day or night. An arrest for the commission of a misdemeanor or an infraction cannot be made between the hours of 10 o'clock p.m. of any day and 6 o'clock a.m. of the succeeding day, unless: (1) The arrest is made without a warrant pursuant to Section 836 or 837. (2) The arrest is made in a public place. (3) The arrest is made when the person is in custody pursuant to another lawful arrest. (4) The arrest is made pursuant to a warrant which, for good cause shown, directs that it may be served at any time of the day or night.
841. The person making the arrest must inform the person to be arrested of the intention to arrest him, of the cause of the arrest, and the authority to make it, except when the person making the arrest has reasonable cause to believe that the person to be arrested is actually engaged in the commission of or an attempt to commit an offense, or the person to be arrested is pursued immediately after its commission, or after an escape. The person making the arrest must, on request of the person he is arresting, inform the latter of the offense for which he is being arrested.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Carol, you need some professional help. Please seek help starting with your personal physician. We are concerned for your well being.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mayor,

Paulette told me your city manager has refused to place my presentation
on the agenda for the first meeting in August, 2007. She told me two
councilmembers MUST approve my request. My request is to present
information on HWY 33.

I am asking you to place my HWY 33 presentation on the first meeting
of August, 2007.

On July 24, 2007 when I attended your city council meeting, I did not
observe the council's conduct in accordance with Robert's Rules of
Order. "Shall" is mandatory.

Ojai Municipal Code
Sec. 2-1.202. Parliamentary procedure.
Subject to applicable statutes, meetings of the Council shall be conducted in accordance with Robert’s Rules of Order, latest Revised Edition.
(§ 2, Ord. 212)

Carroll Dean Williams

Anonymous said...

False Minutes prepared by City Clerk:

Ojai City Council minutes of the Regular meeting of July 24, 2007, 7:30 pm

On a call of the roll the following Council Members reported present: Steve Olsen, Rae Hanstad,
Sue Horgan and Joe DeVito. Also present were: City Manager, Jere Kersnar; City Attorney,
Monte Widders; Ojai Chief of Police, Capt. Bruce Norris; Finance Director, Susie Mears;
Interim Public Works and Recreation Director, Ed McCombs; Transportation Manager, Mike
Culver; and City Clerk, Carlon Strobel.


INVOCATION Moment of Silence

Carroll Dean Williams announced that he was present to arrest the City Clerk under authority of
Penal Code 834, 837, 840, 841 and 148.5a.

Ojai Chief of Police, Capt. Bruce Norris, stated that there was no cause for arrest and Penal Code Section 142.3 granted the right to refuse to make an arrest.
142. (a) Any peace officer who has the authority to receive or
arrest a person charged with a criminal offense and willfully refuses
to receive or arrest that person shall be punished by a fine not
exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by imprisonment in the
state prison, or in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by both
that fine and imprisonment.
(b) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), the sheriff may determine
whether any jail, institution, or facility under his or her direction
shall be designated as a reception, holding, or confinement
facility, or shall be used for several of those purposes, and may
designate the class of prisoners for which any facility shall be
(c) This section shall not apply to arrests made pursuant to
Section 837.

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams | August 2, 2007 05:06 AM

Anonymous said...

( Note" The candidate submitted the picture.)

Here is the press release from another Ventura City Council candidate.


Dear Registered Voters of the City of Ventura:
Are you worried? Worried about the negative fact that you and your children and grandchildren cannot afford to buy a HOUSE in Ventura? I will tell you who is to blame! Carl “NO” Morehouse, Mayor of Ventura.

Click on continue reading for the rest of the press release and for A NEW PRESS RELEASE.

Are you worried? Worried about the negative CONDITIONS in Ventura being weird without any positive results? I will tell you who is to blame! Christy “WEIRD” Weir, Deputy Mayor of Ventura.

Are you worried? Worried about why the TREASURY of the City of Ventura is always never full? I will tell you who is to blame! Bill “NEVER” Fulton, Councilmember of Ventura.

Stop your worrying! VOTE Carroll Dean Williams as your positive choice.

Are you worried? Worried that an old saying fits Debbie Golden? Silence IS Debbie Golden.

Are you worried? Worried that B.J. Fitzgerald covered up child abuse when she was agency head of the Human Services of Ventura County?

I am the only candidate who will tell both sides of the story and the history of candidates since 1977.



MEASURE “C7” required twenty-one pages to describe “a communication services tax.” Otherwise known as a Utility User Tax.

OUCH! Senior citizens. You will feel the pain of this tax.
OUCH! Middle class taxpayer. You know the pain of increased taxes.
OUCH! My head hurts after reading the twenty-one pages.

GOUGING! Our State Senator petitioned to stop this utility user tax gouging! Because this tax is imposed as a percentage of our utility user bill. When our utility user bill increases, this tax automatically increases due to the percentage rate. There are many reasons for a utility user bill to be increased.

Our city's proposed utility tax revenue for FY 2007-08 is $9,387,425.00. Ouch! Stop gouging!
Voters of Berkeley, California spoke: NO 62.6% Yes 37.4% about this kind of tax.
No votes are positive. Deficit spending is a negative. Your no vote can stop deficit spending.

A rough truth versus a smooth deception:
“Maintenance of essential city services while decreasing tax rates” is a mix match of words found through out the twenty-one pages which, if approved by majority vote, would add a new chapter to the San Buenaventura Municipal Code. A new chapter to increase taxes using a percentage rate which would automatically increase this tax without any further voter approval.

This tax is a general tax which means it can fund any city services and cannot be set apart for any specific use.

No sunset clause. No accountability. Your no vote is a positive message to our elected city council members.

Apply the brakes and stop excess taxes when you cast your ballot.

Vote a positive NO on Tuesday, November 6, 2007 on MEASURE “C7.”

Candidate Carroll Dean Williams, Retired College Professor, for City Council and School Boardmember.

News Release:

Candidate Carroll Dean Williams announces that he will accept any
invitation by Registered Voters or by Voters To Be Registered to come
and digitally film their neighborhood where they live. He will provide a DVD
of the neighborhood, to interested persons, for action at future council

Let candidate Carroll Dean Williams document your issues for further

Candidate Carroll Dean Williams - 805-641-0927

Who do you support locally? You have a whole list of people you disagree with, but who do you agree with?

Posted by: RLUE at August 7, 2007 11:04 PM
Dear RLUE:

I agree WITH councilmembers Brennan, Andrews, and Morehouse on July 23, 2007 when they voted AGAINST changing the 5% to 4.5% for the Utility User Tax. If this sounds strange to you, they were right because that allowed councilmembers Summers and Fulton to write a complete deceptive ballot Argument In Favor of Measure "C7."

Our Election Laws protect the voters against this kind of fraud. But it takes a court action to enforce these laws.

Please read the TWENTY-ONE pages of this UUT and you will have a headache, guaranteed!

And if you are following our school board members, they have refused to produce public records on the security cameras at Ventura and Buena High. I can agree with them on that kind of conduct. Plus, they keep repeating their bad public behavior.

I offer DVD's this campaign season to fully prove my every issue.
You will NOT believe these behind the scenes DVD's!

Plus, I do AGREE with what I have been told first hand about our new city attorney upholding our city charter where our past city attorney refused and failed to do so.

I agree with everyone who knows the facts and the law. For example, I met with Liveable Ventura. And they repeatedly asked me leading questions about Wal-Mart buying the K-Mart on Victoria. I had know choice but to tell them: "No one, not our city council nor the president of the United States can STOP Wal-Mart from buying the current K-Mart AS IS. That's the fact and the law.

Mutual regards,

Candidate Carroll Dean Williams

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams at August 8, 2007 03:37 AM
Our new city attorney hails from Boulder, Colorado.

I agree that Wal-Mart can buy the K-Mart on Victoria AS IS. I do question WHY Wal-Mart would want another store so close to the one in Oxnard? I have emailed the CEO of Wal-Mart and asked him why?

Carroll Dean Williams

Super Wal-Mart debuts in Lafayette No buyer in sight for old store site By Laura Snider Wednesday, August 8, 2007 Contact Camera Staff Writer Laura Snider at 303-473-1327 or © 2006 Daily Camera and Boulder Publishing, LLC.

Wal-Mart by the numbers 49 Supercenters are operated in Colorado.

350 people will be employed by the Supercenter in Lafayette.

200 of the jobs are new positions.

1,300 people applied for the new positions.

$11.50 an hour is the average wage for a full-time hourly employee of Wal-Mart in Colorado.

127 million customers visit Wal-Mart stores and Sam's Clubs across the country each week.

$252 million in sales taxes were collected by Wal-Marts in Colorado on behalf of the state in the last fiscal year.

$37.8 million was paid by Colorado Wal-Marts in state and local taxes in the last fiscal year.

$2.3 million in tax rebates were offered to Wal-Mart by Lafayette as an incentive for the company to build the new store.

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams at August 8, 2007 04:18 AM
I have trouble following Mr. Williams. Is it just me?

Posted by: Can you say ramble? at August 8, 2007 10:44 AM

I do research. I enjoy it. If elected, I would fully explain the background for every vote I made, period.

I firmly believe every elected official must fully explain their vote on the issues.

Also, I will fully explain my position so that any other citizen could then raise issues about mine.

Kind regards,

Carroll Dean Williams

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams at August 8, 2007 04:48 PM
Can You Say Ramble,

I have said many times that our councilmembers "ramble" during their comment time at the beginning of the council meetings.

I sure do not want to be a "rambler."

Carroll Dean Williams

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams at August 8, 2007 04:51 PM
News Release:

Candidate Carroll Dean Williams announces that he will accept any
invitation by Registered Voters or by Voters To Be Registered to come and digitally film their neighborhood where they live. He will provide a DVD of the neighborhood, to interested persons, for action at future council meetings.

Let candidate Carroll Dean Williams document your issues for further

Candidate Carroll Dean Williams - 805-641-0927

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams at August 9, 2007 10:56 AM
Chase Fallon,

"A medication is any drug taken to cure or reduce the symptoms of an illness or ongoing medical condition. Commercial medications are produced by pharmaceutical companies and are often patented. Those that are not patented are called generic drugs."

I have NOT EVER been on medication of any kind in my whole life.

I am 100% medication free my whole life.

Therefore, Chase Fallon, please ask your same question to ALL the other candidates.

Carroll Dean Williams -

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams at August 9, 2007 02:50 PM
is that an avocado filled with chili?

Posted by: brenbot at August 9, 2007 04:22 PM

That is the biggest home grown squash, stuffed with good stuff, I have ever eaten and seen. Hummmmmmmm

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams at August 9, 2007 05:29 PM
Illegal Campaign Funds Collected by Candidate Steve Bennett:
Several persons on this list told me that Steve Bennett sent them a letter with the refund check. The reason for the refund in the letter is false information.

Fred Rosenmund - $600.00
Gail Rosenmund - $600.00
John Cowart - $700.00
Donna Dahlstrom Rabe - $600.00
Ken Glass - $600.00
Cher Glass - $600.00
Barry Rabe - $600.00
Thomas Ritch - $700.00
Rosemary's Consulting - $700.00
Carolyn Huntsinger - $700.00
Barbara Kerkhoff - $700.00
Barbara Meister - $600.00
Lowell Novy - $600.00
Mark Burley - $700.00
Brooke Ashworth - $600.00
Mary Haffner - $600.00
Janice Davis - $700.00
Kate Faulkner - $600.00
Patricia Feiner - $600.00
Mary Lou Brown - $600.00
June Behar - $600.00
Sheila Cuff - $600.00
Claudia de la Pena - $700.00
Ron de la Pena - $700.00
John Kerkhoff - $700.00
Al Adam $600.00
Marilyn Adam - $600.00
Chilant Sprague - $700.00
Joel Goldberg - $600.00
Bill Shanbrom - $600.00
James Snell - $600.00
Cynthia Lindenbaum - $700.00
Judy Bysshe - $600.00
Cheryl Brandt - $600.00
John Battel - $600.00
Bruce MacDonald - $700.00
Jame Duke - $600.00

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams at August 9, 2007 06:14 PM
Wow, you accuse the guy of breaking the law but you don't tell say why. Why were these donations illegal? What did the letter say?

Posted by: Crime? at August 9, 2007 06:23 PM
Dear Crime?,

Ventura County Campaign Finance Reform Ordinance 4361.

You can find it on the County of Ventura website.

Short summary: Candidate Steve Bennett collected campaign funds before he was authorized to collect the funds. Four years ago, he stated he was "CHAMPION" of campaign finance reform. Surely, he knew his own Ordinance since he was its author.

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams at August 9, 2007 06:47 PM

Can I hang out with you? You seem like such a cool guy. You are the master of mud slinging. The doctor of dirt-digging. The grand ol' gadfly. I bow down before thee, Master Williams. You and Rencher ought to form your own party - the wacko-obessed-new-Libertarians.

Posted by: Chase Fallon at August 9, 2007 09:28 PM
Carroll Dean Williams is my real name, Chase Fallon, and I only found two Fallon's in the phone book and neither was Chase.

Come clean and give me your REAL name.

Lights, Camera, Action, Caught In The Act.

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams at August 9, 2007 09:38 PM

On another post you asked my position on an issue before the Ventura City Council.

As I don't live in Ventura nor do I follow the policies of your fine city I don't feel qualified to give you a thoughtful answer.

With that being said, thanks for asking.

Feel free to ignore non-important posts and answer serious questions.

My question for you is this:

If you could learn one thing from a way another Ventura County city does something which city would you choose and what would you be happy to duplicate.

Posted by: Brian at August 9, 2007 11:47 PM

Thanks for the question. Please go to my website and view the postings. If you can't view them, please let me know.

My first official visit to Ojai City Hall was on June 28, 2007. For no reason the city clerk had the police called on me. I am use to that. So I would not pick Ojai. Ventura use to do that also. Oxnard never did.

I would pick Ventura County Board of Supervisors. Because their CEO, Johnny Johnston, has worked together on several very important issues and the County has overcome certain fears of First Amendment rights when a citizen exercises it fully as intended by our founding fathers.

Take the levee at Casitas Springs. I am having a meeting on August 17, 2007 with the CEO and Public Works.

Take online government postings. I have pointed out weakness in this computer day and time when government wants to be paperless. Johnny has listened. Johnny has acted and we have gotten results by allowing the truth to guide us.

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams at August 10, 2007 07:10 AM
Dude, if your not going to have a complete thought beak camp. I respect you running but in the word of Jim Rome 'Have a take and do not suck'. Your postings are less ramble than rant like huckster.

Posted by: Boy Scout at August 11, 2007 05:52 AM
Boy Scout,

Scout Oath (or Promise)
On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams at August 11, 2007 02:03 PM
I find this whole thread very random.

Posted by: Bubba Kidd at August 11, 2007 10:44 PM
hey Carroll Dean...

Where do you get your campaign contribution info?

I was at a city council meeting when you got up and yelled at everyone about what all the council had given to the Yes on P6 campaign...

Interesting stuff, I'm just curious where it came from.

Posted by: Heather Schmidt at August 16, 2007 02:52 AM

Anybody can look it up.

Posted by: It's on the web at August 16, 2007 02:01 PM
Hello Heather,

All kinds of good information, but it takes digging. And city hall fights me.

ITS ON THE WEB: Thanks for spotting me. I have been busy.

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams at August 16, 2007 02:52 PM
Why is your campaign photo a picture of you making lunch?

Posted by: Lunch at August 17, 2007 02:04 PM
Dear Lunch,

Well, my photo is about eating lunch. I eat when I am NOT a candidate. I eat when I am a candidate. And I will eat after the November election.

That is perrenial! LOL! Yes, I spelled the word wrong because eating defines me not running for office.

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams at August 17, 2007 06:00 PM
I am being endorsed again by Joe Howry of the Ventura County Star.

I also have proof of endorsements by a Superior Court Judge and Deputy District Attorney Linda Groberg. Right on!!!

9 meet deadline for filing in City Council race
By Kevin Clerici Saturday, August 11, 2007

Ventura's three City Council incumbents have plenty of company in the race to keep their seats, as six challengers met Friday's filing deadline, including two small-business owners and a fiscal conservative newcomer.

Joining incumbents Bill Fulton, Christy Weir and Carl Morehouse on the ballot are business owners and past candidates Doug Halter and Jerry Martin, newly retired school official Lou Cunningham, first-timer Mike Gibson and perennial candidate Carroll Dean Williams.

Mayor jumps into race for City Council
Morehouse joins eight already vying for 3 slots
By Kevin Clerici Friday, June 29, 2007

Ventura Mayor Carl Morehouse on Thursday joined what is rapidly becoming a crowded field vying for City Council seats this fall.

On the steps of City Hall, Morehouse announced that after weeks of deliberation with his wife, he would seek a third term, mostly because so many people have urged him to.

"Like Cincinnatus of ancient Rome, I am willing to serve when my community calls," he told about two dozen people gathered for the noon announcement.

Other challengers include perennial candidate Brian Lee Rencher, attorney A. Kimball Ouerbacker III, Lou Cunningham, Jerry Martin and Carroll Dean Williams.

Posted by: Carroll Dean Williams at August 17, 2007 06:23 PM
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